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i wish you guys would podcast for zune :(

you guys are Mac awesome!

Peyton isn't the comet IMO. It wouldn't make sense if she is.

If you ask me, Brooke is the comet. The quote from the book described BL perfectly.

Disagree about Brooke. She would be an AMAZING mother.

The comet is a signature of the LP relationship. So many of their scenes, including their very first, revolve around that car. There is no way Mark would use a comet as a metaphor for anyone else but Peyton. Lucas was lost after his breakup with Peyton, as he told Brooke in the hotel room in 505. He waited a year for Peyton to come back to him before moving on to Lindsey. He didn't even have the inspiration to write again until Peyton told him his art matters. Lucas' head told him to be with Lindsey, but what the second book shows is that his heart will always be waiting for Peyton. Waiting is a theme for LP as well.

"I'll wait for ever if I have to"

"However long it takes, I'll wait for you."

"I think we've waited long enough."

"He waited his whole life for it to return to him."

The comet is Peyton.

KJ,

I totally agree with you! The only thing that links the comet story to Peyton is the car! But if you think about it, everything else links it more to Brooke! And if you think about it, Lucas not only "knew" Peyton when he saw the comet. Brooke entered into his life at the same time! Brooke and Peyton came together pretty much!

I totally love him he is my little boy............ I want to steal him(I feel like Carrie right now)..................But he is still cute as a button!! And he is tooooootallllly the best person to play Jamie and Brook and him are toooooo cute especially him and skillz!!! Hes like a little HOMIE!!

Hey Jackie, Sarah and Mia.

I was just listening to your Gossip Girl podcast and you all answered a question about who you ship on the show. So I was wondering who you 3 ship on One Tree Hill?

For me its mainly Naley but I also really like Brucas too.
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P.S I love your podcasts.

i don't like peyton at all. Linsey and Lucas were cool. Brooke and Lucas were cool, but this Peyton and Lucas thing is not working for me. Skills only made one mistake in this whole show leave him alone. I love Nathan and Haley. Please put them back together.

So true, KJ. The shipper wars will remain until the final scene is shown. And whatever couple a fan ships, they will fight with all of their might to see their favorites together.

It's a TV show so no couple will be fully over until the credits in the SERIES FINALE roll.

honestly. brucas is done. over. never again.get over it.

leytonnnn forever. obviously.

=)

Did anyone noticed that when the preast said "You can`t help who you fall in love with" or something Brooke looked at Lucas, with that special look.
from norway

I've been thinking about the comet reference and Luke's second book. I know a lot of people think it's all about Peyton including everyone in Tree Hill. But I looked at it again and except Peyton's car being a comet I see nothing her that reminds me of Peyton or LP's relationship. Instead this whole thing reminds me of Brooke and BL's relationship.

“The boy saw a comet and he felt his life had a meaning and when it went away, he waited his entire life for it to come back to him It was more than just a comet, because of what it brought to his life. Direction. Beauty. Meaning... They were many who couldn't understand and sometimes he walked among them and even in his darkest hours he knew in his heart that someday it would return to him and his world would be whole again. His belief in God, and love, and art, would be reawakened in his heart.”

1. Brooke walked away from Luke in S4 without even giving a reason why. The audience know why but Luke never found out the real reason about Peyton telling Brooke she still had feelings for Luke.

Luke to Brooke in 403: You know what, Brooke? You broke up with me. Then you never even gave me a real reason why and you just walked away and I thought … we could at least still be friends.

At the party:
LUCAS: you told me to fight for you and I did … but you never fought for me

BROOKE: And I’m not going to!

2. The part about the direction it gave... beauty, meaning... totally reminds me of what Luke wrote in his first book about Brooke.

Brooke: [reads from Lucas's book] "She was fiercely independent. Brooke Davis. Brilliant, and beautiful, and brave. In 2 years she had grown more than anyone I had ever known. Brooke Davis is going to change the world someday. And I'm not sure she even knows it."

3. And the part how many didn’t understand and sometimes he walked among them SCREAMS BL and not LP. Every single character in the show has always been "LP are meant to be" and so on. Brooke and Lucas are complete opposite of each other so that sentence make even more sense to be about them not LP.

4. Peyton already returned and offered herself to him. The only thing he had to do was end things with Lindsey. Brooke however has NOT made herself an option for Luke and his LP's biggest cheerleader.

I think the book they all think is about Peyton is actually NOT. It just doesnt make sense to me that the comet is Peyton when reading what he wrote.

LP aren't meant to be? I might be mistaken but I didn't even think Brooke was in the pilot episode... I guess I've been watching a different show for four and half years than other people have.

Also it doesn't matter what couple you're rooting for you'll only see chemistry between the two actors that you are rooting to get together.

Hey guys :)
ok I liked this episode but I kinda agree that I expected more from it..
I´m the biggest Leyton fan, so I really hope they get back together at some point, but I´d hate if they got back together too soon, but I´m sure that won´t happen.. I totally loved the comet thing..
about the Brooke storyline, I have to disagree with some fans that say that Sophia´s storyline was only great in season 2, 3 (not sure if I read it here on somewhere else :P lol)
but people who say that are most of the time BL fans, her storyline was great this season, and Brooke is not only great when she´s with Lucas or pining after him, Brooke is so much more than that and Lucas doesn´t deserve her..
I actually saw some similarities between the Lucas/Lindsey relationship and the Brucas one.. when Brooke broke up with him in episode 401, he also let her go without a word.. and then in 402 he told skills he was gonna get her back, well we all know how that turned out.. and now with Lindsey the same thing happens, she ends things with him, he lets her leave without a word after tellind Nathan that he wanted to get her back.. I think it shows how different those relationships are from the LP one.. Lucas was a truly mess when he and Peyton broke up..
anyway, I don´t think Brooke asked Lucas to be the father, she was just talking to him about it.. that would be horrible!
maybe they are trying to give BL fans hope, but bringing them back would be so unrealistic after all this build up for Leyton, all the throwbacks we got during all seasons.. it´s like the most meant to be couple in history of TV lol and I would hate if the love triangle came back, ause I think that the BP friendship is one of the most amazing things on the show right now!
and I know that I would be really disapointed if I knew that I spent 5 years of my life waiting for a couple that wouldn´t be together in the end :(
about Naley, they are so amazing! they´ve been throght so much, their love is so strong.. I loved the rain scene, that was a great throwback for them! I´m glad nanny Carrie is gone for good now! she was sick.. I totally loved Jamie´s scared face when Dan came to get him, it was priceless :P
there are a lot of other things in my mind right now, but I think I already talked too much :P
I´ll probably leave another message tomorrow!
I love listening to your podcasts even tho sometimes I don´t agree with some of the things you say :)

I'm really honoured that my comment was mentioned...I was surprised as hell. :)

Anyway:

I've watched all episodes so far and I didn't like this episode...as a whole it was good but there are those bits and pieces...:

1. The beginning was awesome, the view, the car, Bruce Springsteen but then this ridiculous comparison: Lucas/Karen/Keith and Lucas/Haley/Jamie...that was mean...
2. This whole Comet plot was so bad...I mean come on he wrote a book about another girl being engaged to a different one...how stupid can a men be...I mean do the writers want Lucas to look totally stupid...? and as usual he didn't realize it and was the poor baby with this stupid look on his eyes...like a wounded puppy...
3. What on earth did Haley think to put this black, not so pretty dress on a wedding...?I mean she was the maid of honour...anyway she looked like she was attending a funeral.
4. I really can't stand it that everybody on the show is proLP...Brooke saying: we all thought it would be her day...since when? and Karen has nothing better to do but respond: yeah...just great...
5. Skills - what the hell was he doing this episode...I mean he can be proLP if he wants to but he can say those thoughts in a different place in a different time, like the day before but not seconds before entering the church...and drinking a beer during the ceremony...oh boy...and since when is he a die-hard LPshipper...??
6.Babyplot - I didn't like it too, same as the girls...and just because she needs love and had a messed up childhood isn't an explanation...she wants a baby for all the bad reasons...and what about the father...doesn't Brooke no how it is to be raised up in a split up family...please bring the old Brooke back...mature doesn't mean ready for a baby...she just wants to fill out the emptiness in her life...she should try to build a relationship first and then think about a family...maybe she told Owen and he escaped camping...
7. Dan - well, well, I love that he is back. Call me crazy but I love his character. :P
8. Carrie - crazy, just crazy an Jamie had this cute expression like: what the hell is she doing...
9. Andy is back. YAY. :)
10. Why was nobody from Lindsey's family present...? and why did she not have a scene with karen!! I mean Karen could have talked to P/B after the wedding and be with her son and future daughter-in-law...but no better go and show us one more time how great Leyton is...

I think that's all but I have to sum up that this was beyond what I expected...this is not old OTH...this is sh**... I mean srsly were is the old OTH I loved...?

And to all those who don't like that Sarah and Mia didn't watch the show...I think that's great because their comments are fresh, impartial and they are not so influenced as we the old watchers are...but I recommend you watch the show - esp. 1-3 because it's worth it. ;)

The sad truth is, OTH is not as it was and Mark constantly repeats his own ideas...or comes up with some ridiculous storylines.

Sarah,

We don't hate you! We just don't agree with everything you said, lol.

And you're never too old to watch OTH. I know a few grandparents that are hooked! Beat that :P

Sarah:

I totally get your rain in the house frenzy. That is the one fear of mine...when I have to have the roof replaced on my house. 'Cause that is gonna cost some moolah.

Andy and Lily..love them both. I think it was pretty cool that they got the same girl who was in Karen's dream from the Season 4 finale to play in this episode. She's adorable. Andy..man, I forgot how I missed him. Totally wanted Keith to still be in the picture, but Andy is a good second. :)

These flashbacks for Lucas and Peyton..I don't know. I mean I love the first season. The first episode is what got me hooked. But they really edited that scene. I know, it needs to be edited to make it flow about how Lucas and Peyton are "meant to be", but if you're gonna show a flashback, show the full scene (if possible). Like with the Season 4 scene that's being replayed. What happened before Lucas went to Peyton? Brooke told him to go. She pushed him to Peyton.

Everything pointing to an LP reunion..where's the drama? We need a twist and Mark has had some amazing twists and shockers throughout the series. I know my mouth was still wide open the following day after the episode aired Jake returning to Tree Hill (Season 2).

I still enjoyed this episode. Watched it again on Sunday. I'm enjoying this season much better than last. One suggestion..tone down the LP parade. Let's focus on some other storylines.

Good night, and good luck. :)

Sarah:

I totally understand what you are talking about with the Naley rain scene. It would be a nightmare in most cases.
BUT you have to remember that Nathan is about to get divorced to the love of his Life. The person who made him the person and father he is today. The best thing that ever happened to him(besides Jamie). She has done so much for him, and they have been married for 5 years. He cannot imagine his life without her. SO if it has to rain in his house in order for him to get back together with her. He is just fine with that. It that dream all he could think about is the fact that he is with his wife again. And it is raining, and when it comes to Naley it is always better when it is raining. LOL Nathan asked Haley to marry him after they had a walk in the rain. Even if that wasn't a dream I don't think Nathan would care if it was raining in his house AT ALL.

Thanks for the latest podcast. It was entertaining as always.

Good thing there was no Owen in this episode. For me he can go away camping for the rest of OTH's history or maybe a big bad bear ate him in the woods. :D Brooke and Owen is simply NOTHING compared to Brooke and Lucas. Besides, I bet you that Brooke still has feelings for Luke even if she doesnt wanna admit that to herself.

This episode was the most Pro-Lp episode to date in terms of other characters trying to tell the audience "LP are true wuv" or "LP are meant to be" ... not really, because if they were Mark wouldnt need all characters and their mothers to tell us this it would show and it doesn't.

That's why I think this episode was more foreshadowing for BRUCAS than for LEYTON. I dont think Brooke will have Luke's child right now but I do think Lucas Scott will be very much involved in Brooke's storyline about wanting a child in the remaining six episodes this seaason and I have a feeling where that could lead. The only time Lukcas Scott fought and knew what he wanted was the time when he fell in love with Brooke Davis and I think that has gotta mean something.

I know you ladies said you hated the baby storyline for Brooke. But I understand it... Brooke has never ever gotten the unconditional love from either parent her whole life...and some people feel ready for a child when only 21. I have no doubt Brooke is in love with Luke but she'll never ever go there when she knows and believes LP are meant to be like the whole damn Tree Hill. I think she'll give the child she gets (maybe through adoption) the greatest love of all and she'll be an awesome mother, you'll see.

I also think this storyline could give something really good to Miss Sophia Bush because face it having a newbie boy-toy every season isnt really challenging as an actor. But I think this storyline might bring it.

Can anyone tell me what happened to Deb? Have they even mentioned her yet this season?

One more thing...
About the baby storyline!

I really don't see why Brooke would want Lucas' baby!
Especially if they are not a couple!

I mean... doesn't this guy have a hereditary heart disease !?

It just... doesn't make senes to me! No BL baby please!!

I agree with you that Lucas is being portrayed as the blameless victim by Lindsey leaving him at the altar. I also think that it's unreasonable that all his exes just love him forever. I wanted Lindsey to say "you jerk, you humiliated me! They all know you still love Peyton, you write a second book about her and you have the nerve to parade me in front of all the people in that church and lie to yourself and me - Go to he**!".
The Comet story is all about Peyton, even (up to now)Lindsey supporter Haley saw that. Haley was also shocked that Lindsey didn't make the connection, but, she didn't know that Lindsey didn't realize Peyton's car is a Comet.
I realize the Brucas fans are looking for a sign, but, there are too many Leyton indications and supporters: Karen, Skills, Chase, Haley (now), and Brooke herself (who I love).
Brooke never said anything about wanting Lucas' baby - ever. She's too good to do that to Peyton OR Lucas for that matter. She just wants to be the mom she never had. She has been so boy-oriented for the past 4 seasons, I love that she's showing a whole other more mature and multi-dimensional side to her. Especially now that she fired her mother, yay!
The flashbacks were nice to add impact to the Leyotn story for new fans, especially the one form the pilot episode with Lucas and Peyton's first meeting at the Comet's breakdown.
Dan is still a really bad guy! Did anyone else get the creeps when he made the "sexy" remark to Haley? eeeww!
C'mon, Skills was hilarious, lighten up girls!
Another great BP episode! I LOVE them this year! My favorite "couple" (have I said that before?!). I don't want them to be in love, I am just so enjoying their unwavering support for one another. Also, the "I want a baby" ... "with me?!" conversation was so funny!

About Skillz, I just wanted to say something.

It's been no secret that he thinks Peyton is a "home-wrecker." He has called her that on multiple occasions for messing up Lucas' relationships, intentional or not. I think his comments were just coming from the fact that he thinks the wedding is unlikely because from experience, he thinks Peyton will mess up the relationship.

Also, I think the comet story was not about Peyton at all. It may be about Brooke or it may be about something else. I just am not buying that it's about Peyton.

I thought this episode was great, but I guess that maybe you didn't because some of you didn't see the show from the start. It may have helped. There were a lot of references to the show's roots.

I also believed that the Brooke talking to Lucas about a baby was her basically asking him to be the father of it. I think she's still in love with Lucas and that he's the one who changed her as a person (like Haley did for Nathan) and because of that she will always love him. Maybe it's Brooke's way of holding on to some part of him, by having his child. Also, I think it's her way of letting Peyton finally get something good in her life. While I think Peyton was so much better and happier with Jake, he left, so Brooke is being selfless by pushing for Peyton and Lucas, so Peyton can finally find happiness.

We haven't exactly seen a great friendship between the two this season, which really sucks. I am a huge Brucas fan and if I can't have them together I'd at least like to see a friendship. I'm assuming things just got weird after the kiss in New York when they pretended to be engaged, but that still does not make up for the fact that they're barely friends now it seems. I'm sure it's hard for Sophia in real life because their relationship fell apart. I just wish we'd see them as friends again, like they were in New York and they were in the season 4 finale when he went to talk to her about leaving high school and read what he wrote about her in his book.

Hey, all. Just some follow-up on my "rain-in-the-house" comment -- I know that it's a call-back to what's happened with Nathan and Haley before (although I didn't realize it was the same dialog.) And I know that kissing in the rain is a venerable romantic situation. I get that.

BUT -- anyone who has ever owned a house, who has ever been responsible for the roof, who has been the one who had to pay for repairs if there's a leak -- a dream or fantasy sequence with water coming from the ceiling is NOT a happy thing. That's the sort of thing you wake up screaming from. I used to own an old house, I lived on the top floor, and let me tell you, roof leaks are BAD. And expensive! That's all I could think about when it rained in the living room -- "Holy crap, will their insurance cover this? What will it do to the electrical system? With that much water, the ceiling's going to collapse - stop kissing and figure out what's wrong! Think of the potential mold problem! AIEEEEEEE!"

Yes, it's entirely possible I'm too old to watch this show.

I'm surprised we didn't mention Karen and Lily either -- I LOVED both of them. Lily is far too cute -- apparently they've made a deal with the devil to get preternaturally adorable children on the show. And Karen? She's made of awesome.

We love your comments, even when you hate us. Keep them coming!

Am I the only one who loves the Brooke baby plot? I think she's going to be an excellent mother. Have you seen her with Jamie?! She's great with him and they have an amazing chemistry. There are plenty of people who have babies when they're young and because they WANT a baby. They didn't get pregnant because they were high, because they forgot to take the pill that morning, etc.

Anyways, I love your podcast! And the Brooke/baby thing, origanally, when Brooke tells Peyton that she wants a baby and Peyton goes "With me?" Brooke was supposed to tell her "No, with Lucas." And when Brooke is telling Lucas that she wants to be a mother, she was supposed to tell him that she wanted him to be the father. That's Brooke meant when she told Peyton that Lucas really freaked out when she told him. But the writers decided to cut that out. Why? Only Mark knows...

Soo I have to totally agree with Luke (who I love by the way, because you can admit to watching OTH but crying at it also haha) but you girls so soo do podcasts on past episodes during the hiatus. That would be awesome! Please consider it! Because i'm really going to miss you! :(

your podcasts keep getting better and better each week. Too bad I have to wait a week for the next one. I think the idea that Jackie had of Lucas being Brooke's baby daddy would be awesome that would would really be a plot twist if you had more thoughts like that you def should have a been a writer for the show. lol but I def disagree with you guys about this ep. This episode was awesome. And surprised that you guys didn't mention Karen or Andy. I thought that Whitey should have been at the wedding and maybe Deb oh and Anna she was a good friend to Lucas. But I hope Lindsey does come back she quoted Peyton to Lucas saying " people always leave" but most time they come back so hopefully she'll come back. I loved how Haley stood up to Dan and put her foot down. The old Haley would never do that. can't wait till the next podcast

Can you girls please make an announcement for people to NOT post spoilers? I see that some people do, and some of us are spoiler free =/

Thanks!

I am one of the die hard Brucas fans, and I have been gathering some clues from this season about them. After watching the show for many years the one thing about Mark, is that he does not just throw things that are done and said just to waste time. Everything happens for a reason. When the episode took place three years in the past, when brucas were "engaged", they spoke about their life together and their children. Brooke also commented that "Lucas was the boy I could give it all up for." I think that she still has feelings for him, or believes that he is the one person that could give her the life that she really wants, which is to have a family. During the 100th episode, we discover that Brooke wants to have a child, based on previous episodes I believe she wants to have a baby with Lucas. As the flashback took place the pastor was talking about how, who, and why we fall in love, and about our wants and desires. I think that Brooke is still in love with Lucas and he will want to give her the child that she wants. If they have a child together, they will either grow closer, or stay the same. I do not know how Peyton will take the news. The one reason why Brucas might be officially dunzo is because it may be uncomfortable for Chad and Sophia to have to be completely in love on the show, when they went through such a hard time. Ok I'm done ranting about Brucas, but One Tree Hill is amazing.

Hey guys,

Thanks for another great podcast. I agree that this episode wasn't as great as it could have been, however, I did love the episode.

Anyway, can you ladies do me a favor??? I CAN NOT wait till April 14th to hear another oth podcast. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a podcast on episode 3-16. The episode is called "With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept". It is the best episode of OTH there is. I'm a 22 year old marred guy and i cry like a school girl every time i see this episode. You don't need to know anything going into it. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE... Jackie tell them

Okay, let me just start out by saying that for those of us who have been watching OTH since it aired, this episode was phenomenal!

The first thing I want to touch on is the incredible acting by James and Joy. This is the first time I've been blown away by Naleys acting. It was incredible! I do think, however, that Haley could lighten up a bit. I miss the funny Haley that made jokes and smiled all the time.

Now on to the Comet. I agree with whoever said that about Brooke being the Comet. Peyton being theComet is just too obvious. Mark wouldnt do that.

Now I'm not a brucas fan, but I have to say this episode had Brucas written all over it. If you watched the earlier seasons you got to witness the incredible bond between Brooke and Lucas. The only time you ever saw lucas really passionate and fighting for something he needed was with Brooke. Even though I think that their relationship was "highschool" and a bit dramatic it was the only time you got to see Lucas really fighting for love and that's when people liked Lucas the most.

As far as Brooke having a baby I do feel like she's trying to fill a void, but I think its really a way for her to get closer to Lucas. Not that she's planning a scheme or anything, but its a plot that clearly brings them together.

And as for Peyton, the whole Leyton relationship us obviously gone. I think its been out of the scripts for awhile now. Its too presumptuous and needy. It doesn't flow at all.

Endgame? Well since season 6 is now in the works its hard to say. But mark has a way of keeping us on our feet so we'll see! I would like to say, not being a brucas fan, I'm leaning in that direction as of now.

Thanks for podcasting!
carrie

great podcast as always :)

Okay so I have to say this I really dont like the brook and owen paring I know you girls do lol and youre gonna hate me but still theres really nothing about it that makes me want brooke to end up with this dude,plus like a lot of people say I really cant stop thinking hes hiding something dunno exactly what but theres bound be some sort of skeletons in his closet.I just think its a cardboard cut out of the brucas relationship in the sense that Lucas was ALWAYS the one who saw there was more to her than she ever showed ,he was the one who always believed in her when perhaps at times she didnt believe in herself. What annoys me is that the writers always do this, they always try to recreate the brucas relationship with brooke and some random dude,they did it with chase and now theyre trying to do it with owen too and ther just comes a point where you cant help but think "enough already" nothing beats the original so they need to just stop trying to make us forget brucas because in the end it just makes us miss BL more.

I agree about brooke not being over Lucas,there was a lot of little hints in this episode that just seemed to highlight that fact so much more. The babystoryline actually had more to it but they apparantly cut it a lot ,as in the brucas scene there was more said and also in the brooke and peyton scene they cut that too which is why at some points it seemed a little rushed.I didnt find the storyline horrible in some ways I can understand it and it made sense to me that it was lucas she told first as through the years hes always been her rock and been there when she needed him plus as I say I really think shes not over him.

This thing about the comet being peyton,I really think its not ,I dunno it just seems way to obvious ,I really hope its not,this show used to always be about the hidden meanings and to make something so obvious would be stupid plus even the way its written seems to suggest it isnt and if it was then it wouldnt make sense ,okay so peyton drives a comet big deal lol but what I found interesting in the quote was " There were many that didnt understand and sometimes he walked among them" um that doesnt even fit the whole peyton thing considering the town have all turned into leyton cheerleaders so how then can nobody understand ??lol it makes no sense. Although the whole quote sounds more brucas than anything and if brooke actually ended up being the "comet" omg what amazing twist that would be as it would be something the audience didnt expect and plus it would as I say be much more unpredictble

Also Im wondering if thats the last we will see of carrie? as it doesnt seem the police caught her or whatever and as this is tree hill anything can happen,remember the psycho derek storyline everyone thought he was gone for good then he came back so the same could happen here although I hope not as I cant stand carrie lol

I also have to say even though Im a brucas fan ,I really liked lindsay and it was sad to see that nobody even ran after her when she left the church I thought that was really bad on their part.And it was so sad to see those scenes where she was truely heartbroken because of everything .

And also the funniest line in that episode was "You fixed my car,you fixed my heart" LMAO I couldnt help but laugh t that plus I know peyton was imagining saying all this and stopping the wedding but seriously I would have thought even if it was just imagined it would have more substance than that but since its Leyton I can understand it doesnt ;) haha ,I have to say that line was the most stupid ever lol

anyways awesome podcast as always :) cant wait for the next ,wish we didnt have to wait so long lol

WOW i totally agree with "OTH 100"'s comment. She hit the nail on the head. Wow, that was amazing. There are so many clues about Brooke and Lucas, that it's hard to overlook their love.

First off, stop dissing the Brooke story line. you obviously don't know her through the years, and how much she matured. She needs this baby, and it's a great way of her to not focus on guys. And the Naley rain scene, its because they have a history of always kissing in the rain, it's their special thing. That's why, the rain coming down on them during the dream sequence was actually really a Naley shout out to the fans. Oh, and Brooke's trust in Lucas is tremendous, and they will always be there. You can't deny what they used to have, it's too much to ignore. Brooke and Lucas were together more than three times the time that Lucas and Peyton were, so i think they ultimately should be together. I think a lot of people agree with that, and Mark is not throwing Brucas fans a bone by making this storyline happen. This is just the way he wants Brooke's life to go. And i think it's a good way. She wants to have a mother daughter bond, one she never had, and this is a wonderful way to start one.

Let me clear up the baby confusion-Not really a spoiler anymore cuz it's not happening- Originally the scene where Brooke tells Lucas about her wanting to have a baby was longer. She asks him to be the father. Also there was more to the scene where she tells Peyton about her decision. Peyton's supposed to ask her if she wants to be with Lucas and Brooke says no she wants Peyton to be with him but she wants him to be the father of her baby. Both of those scenes were obviously cut short in the episode because they're no longer going in that direction. It was kinda confusing since they apparently changed their minds in the editing room from what the side originally said, but rest assured that that's not where this is going. I won't tell you what is going to happen though... Sadly no gorgeous BL baby but lots more BL scenes coming up =)

Well.... interesting podcast, i am quite annoyed that you guys feel that this episode was a let down i totally disagree with you guys, such a good episode, it was a real One Tree Hill episode as Joe the executive producer said. Sure some it was unrealistic but isnt that why we watch this show? The show also gives us hope and was in now way a let down. I did however agree with you guys on the whole baby Brooke storyline i really dont get it and feel that its is left field and i think it is such a horrible idea for Brooke, sure she needs to grow etc ... but a baby? Im coming on 22 as well and i just cant contemplate having a child by myself now hopefully not ever by myself, with a husband. its like she is trying to complete her life with a baby which really isnt the way to feel complete even with heaps of money that you dont know what to do with. so i agree with what you guys said about that. and from spolier pic she sure does get that baby, so not so happy about that which annoys me cause Brooke is my favourite character on the show. im not sure about the idea of the Lucas and Brooke having the baby thats weird even though im a big Brucas fan.
anyway one thing i have to say is that the ones that havent seen the whole 100 episodes really need to sit down and watch the whole lot together and then maybe will fully understand why so many of us get defensive when we dont agree with what you guys are saying, since there is a months break maybe you guys should watch the whole lot, perfect time to do so.

thanks :)

Hey girls, i enjoyed listening to all your views on this episode. I have to start off my saying that I actually really loved this episode. I think the opening sequence (Haley/Lucas/Jamie) was adorable and i could really picture Karen/Keith/Lucas doing it too. The dream sequences were a little weird but I liked them, I loved the Naley one not just because it was a nod to their first kiss and their rain scenes but also because we got to see James in the shower! haha The Brooke one in the wedding dress also confused me, I don't know if she wanted to be marrying Lucas or what.

Also on the Brooke front, i totally think when she was talking to Karen (which by the way was one of my favorite scenes i've always loved their relationship) but I think when she was telling her about Peyton that she was talking about herself. I just really got that impression, b/c she was getting all teary eyed and all and then she proceeded to ask Karen about how she is so strong and all.

I'm kinda sad you girls didn't touch on Karen/Andy/Lilly. I thought that was too cute and im sooooo happy that Andy is back! I've missed him soo much and I've always loved him. And I fell in love with him even more for what he said to Lucas about Keith. and Lilly is just too cute, her and Jamie are the new Lucas/Haley!

The whole comet thing i think is too obvious. I really think that its not about Peyton. I can't help but think that we are all in for big surprises because alot of things this season have been kinda too obvious for me, like Lucas and Peyton. EVERYONE in Tree Hill wants them together and i think we all know that is the direction its heading and now with the comet thing... I think Mark is too smart for that. So i just have a feeling that its just too easy.

My heart broke for Lindsey, i felt soo bad for her. But i have to disagree with you girls about Lucas, i think he did really love Lindsey but like you said he just lets things happen to him. He let Brooke walk out of his life even though he still loved her (talking about the beginning of season 4), he gave up on him and Peyton way too easily, and now Lindsey. I really don't know. The last time i saw Lucas fight for something was when he wanted to be with Brooke in the beginning of season 3, but i think since Keith died he has kinda just let things happen and doesn't do anything about them. I think he really needs some help, maybe we can get Dr. Phil to come on this show and have a serious intervention of some kind with Lucas, he is one messed up dude!

As for the Brooke baby story line. IDK when I first heard about it i was kinda mad because it was originally written that she was going to ask Lucas to be the baby's daddy but they changed the storyline. And I didn't not want her to do that, i thought that was too weird of a storyline and especially because Lucas was about to get married and also if Leyton were to return, i wouldn't want Brooke to have Lucas' baby but Peyton be with Lucas. Because I do believe (and this episode cemented it for me) that Brooke does still have feelings for Lucas. So yeah, but i think where they are going to go with it will be ok. I do get where she is coming from. Like other posters have said, all Brooke has ever wanted was for the people she loves to love her back. Her parents never did, then the one person she had was Peyton but she wound up betraying her twice. Then there was Lucas but that didn't work out. And i think that after all the time she has spent with Jamie has only made her decision easier. I think Brooke has matured soo much from high school, more so than any other character, and I think that this is kinda conceivable. I would never do it, I'm 21 and I can't imagine having a child, but I also receive unconditional love from my family and most of my friends. But i can see where she is coming from. I just hope it gets played out right.

As for Owen, i really think Joe (the guy who plays him) is really HOTT too Sarah! And I agree with what you said about how he challenges Brooke but I don't see the romance there. I think he could be a really great friend for Brooke and that is about it. But Sarah, the way you described how Owen is acting towards Brooke is the exact same way that Lucas acted towards her in season one. She kept trying to seduce him and go after him (naked in the back seat, Dan's party) but he wasn't haven't it, he even told her "you know Brooke you don't have to act like this" and he was the first person to get Brooke to really show her true self and heart. I honestly HATED Brooke in the first couple of episodes but after Lucas was able to break down her exterior, I fell in love with her and she is my fav. character on the show! I just hope this new storyline does her justice!

The last scene was my favorite of the whole episode, i gave me soo many chills, i loved it! I can't wait for the show to return, and in all honesty I will really miss listening to your podcasts every week. I loved hearing your opinions, whether I agree with them or not. And Mia and Sarah, as far as not seeing the rest of the show, sure sometimes you might not get the meaning of things and fully get to grasp some of the show, i love to hear opinions from you girls because you are unbiased about everything because you don't have the past 4 seasons as a bases. I'm not saying that Jackie is biased or anything (because I don't think that) i just think you girls see the show through a total different set of glasses and I love to hear what the view is like from that perspective. The only thing is that you are missing out on 4 great seasons, so if you do ever have the chance, i highly recommend them! Maybe you can watch the show backwards! Haha... can't wait till you girls return!

just thought i would remind everyone who is jumping to conclusions that no where in the episode did they say that lucas was going to be brooke's baby-daddy. brooke simply told him of her decision, but we dont know that she asked him for anything.

I don't know who said it, but I was cracking up when they said that they were going to scream when they hear Dan say "Hey, do you wanna know how I killed my brother??" I feel the same way about one particular scene that gets shown over and over again this season. Come on, you all know it...the championship game scene from Season 4 between Lucas & Peyton. If they play that one more time, I will scream so that they will hear me in Wilmington when the show is airing. (Deep breath). Okay...

Well, being a spoiled fan, I knew of the baby storyline with Brooke. And initially, I really didn't like the whole storyline, but it's been changed to something that might really rock your socks and Sophia will do an excellent job.

I was really rooting and hoping that Lindsey would be around for the long haul, because I really like her and her relationship with Lucas. But, all good things must come to an end..and unfortunately it's bye-bye Lindsey.

The scene where Lindsey leaves Lucas was very reminicent of Brooke and Lucas' break-up at the beginning of Season 4. Both said that they love Lucas, and they (probably) always will. Both break-ups were so heartbreaking. Both break-ups were caused by...well, somebody on the show.

Nathan's daydream was a total throwback to Season 1. I think it was even the same dialogue. That was the beginning of Naley...the good ol' days.

I just love Dan. Yeah, he's a baddie, but he's the kind of baddie that you can't wait to see what happens next. Now all we need to see is Deb back in the picture. Put those two in a room together and let's see what will happen.

Well, I'll miss your podcasts for OTH. But, the mini-hiatus will hopefully go by very quickly. How many more days 'til April 14th?

Whoever said that Haley was blaming Nathan, I don't think you heard correctly. Haley was blaming herself for not being there. Haley said "You should have been there. Your his Father. "I" should have let you be there. Haley was blaming herself, and the whole reference to Jamie being the only thing she has. I think any mother would have said that in that moment. And I truly don't think she meant it THAT way. I feel like everyone takes what Haley says and just focuses on that ONE line and criticizes her for it. BUT if you put it in with the situation you realize what she really meant. The was the best way to describe how she was feeling and the only thing that she could even manage to say to get her point across and get her feelings out.

Twinzz - I'm going to have to go back and listen to myself again, I had no idea I was saying "blah blah blah" so much (of course, that is usually what goes on in my brain!).

Thanks to everyone for commenting (especially Marc, hahaha!) everyone, I'm sorry if we sounded like downers but, and I speak for myself, the episode just wasn't as good as I had hoped it would be. It's totally possible that if I had seen all of the episodes beforehand I would've had a different opinion, but this is what I've got right now, and even those of you who have watched all seasons religiously, tend to have differing opinions (and that's what makes this all so much fun - so we can all plead our cases). So keep the comments coming, and we'll continue making you laugh, making you shake your fist of fury or make you count how many times we say "blah blah blah".

Hey girls

nice job on the podcasting again. There is one thing that we (we're a twin) noticed while listening to your podcasts about, we think it's Mia who keeps saying "bla bla bla" when she's talking about scenes.
We actually think it's quite funny because in this podcast for example, she says it like...8 or 9 times...

also..about the storylines that are being used. We love the Brooke and Owen storyline...but we're not quite sure on how the baby will fit in there..because they seem to be evolving into some sort of a relationship (god forbid brooke uses that word..she seems afraidn of commitment) But how is Owen going to fit in?..Will he be the father figure, will she ask Lucas?...we're just kinda wondering but also hating it. we guess Owen could be the fatherfigure, but since neither one of them is able to say "okay, we have a relationship"..Than how are they supposed to be able to handle the parenting together. If they can't even take "responsiblitities" for their own status and face up to the facts.

This episode was far from our favorite...it was pretty lame and it didn't seem to match the stories used in the past episodes of this season...we did LOVE the cliffhanger they used when they used Dan coming it at the last second and fading to black after that..we wanna know what's gonna happen!

that's all for this weeks comment (we guess we're pretty much... podcasting on your podcast..without...audio...If that makes sense)

hugs
twinzz

Belgium

This podcast was quite disappointing in my opinion. I normally love them too. I feel like all you did was make fun of everything. A lot of the things would have been more meaningful to you if you saw OTH from season 1.

I take JACKIE out of this though. She always seems on top of things and sincere, not attempting to mock things, but to seriously discuss them. YAY for JACKIE! =)

I don't see the problem with letting a nearly 5 year old go to the bathroom on his own in a church surrounded by close friends and family. Not everything is tweaked to force a storyline like you said. Someone earlier said something about nanny Carrie brining a gun and taking Jamie that way and how that would have been too much... I agree. This is more natural. I bought it. I can see it happening.

Before I say this, I just want to say that I have no preference on the Leyton-Brucas war!

I don't think the comet is about Peyton. I have strong reason to believe that it's about Brooke, especially now that we found out that WHEN SHE CAME BACK, SHE ASKED LUCAS TO BE THE FATHER OF HER CHILD. His world is reawakened. He was inspired and began to write again. To Lucas, Peyton crushed him, but Brooke wants him to father her child. I believe you said she recently asked him... it was actually BEFORE THE LL PROPOSAL, before he was getting married. It seemed like she asked him long ago and we just now found out from her interrupted conversation with Peyton.

And I can see Brooke as the type of person who would want a child. She's not the party girl she once was. I think the loneliness and isolation in NYC with many fake people in the public eye opened her eyes to what she really wants... unconditional love that her mother isn't giving her and that she feels no boy will give her.

Also, did it seem to anyone that Brooke looked sad when Lucas was on the altar. I noticed that at one point, as the priest was saying "we can not help who we love," they showed Brooke, sad looking, and then they zoomed close on Lucas' face, and then back to Brooke's still sad face.

And when she was talking to Karen, describing how Peyton is a mess, but trying to be noble and put on a brave face... it totally felt like she was talking about herself. She was even tearing up as she was saying it.

Peyton looking on as Lucas was getting married was heartbreaking as well. She looked like she was fighting hard to keep the tear from falling.

I loved the episode.

the whole baby thing...well, it may not seem like the brooke we know, but i think over the years she has matured greatly. i don't think she wants all the partying and whatnot anymore. she wants to love and be loved and all that. she wants more from life.

i also think owen is great for brooke. like you said, he sees through her and he wants her to see what a great person she is.

i think lucas and brooke are over. i just can't imagine more
brooke-lucas-peyton drama, i see no point to it. she may want him to donate sperm, but that might just be b/c she trusts him.
though, i don't think she wants him to father her child, i think she was just telling him that she wants a baby. that doesn't seem so far-fetched to me, since they are pretty good friends.

also, i don't fully understand why chase was in that last episode. what was the point of that? are we going to see him again, and maybe there'll be some brooke-chase stuff going on? eh, i don't think i would like that. i'm really liking the owen thing, and i think owen would really help brooke develop even more.

Great Podcast!

I agree with you guys about the Brooke baby thing, it came out of nowhere really but I can also see why she wanted a baby also. It's all very complicated and I like to see how it plays out and why she tells Lucas of all people first.

The whole thing about Peyton being the comet is too obvious to me, I hope she's not because her and Lucas make me sick and the whole relationship is just really weird and very emoish.

Lindsey pointed out that it's about wanting and yearning, but how could Lucas be yearning for Peyton when he already has her and she already claimed that she is still in love with him so he wouldn't have to want Peyton because he already has her.

The weirdest line of night had to be the "You fix my heart when you fixed my car", that was really stupid to me because the mechanic fixes my mom car on a regular but I don't see her falling in love with him.

Brooke and Owen I have to admit there's a little something but I don't like Owen and I honestly hope that he gets eaten by bears in the woods or he gets lost and lands up in Anartica or something. Owen a great person and I would like to see him and Brooke as friends and thats it because the writers throws boys at Brooke ever season and it's like crazy. I hardly ever saw them throw someone at Peyton except for Jake and Pete from Fall Out Boy.

I agree with the Brooke not being over Lucas and I hope she's not because I really want Brucas back and maybe Peyton can be selfless and just step aside because IMO she has to be the worst friend ever and whinest. I love when Brooke cursed at her in the church she deserved it, she would have gotten worst from me, she just lucky I am a dude.

Once again great podcast! Mia rocks! Just had to add that...lol!

Great podcast, ladies! I love listening to them every week.

So here's the thing, I'm a huge Brooke fan. And I like the baby storyline. Just not right now at this point. Maybe the baby storyline should be put on hold until at least Brooke is older and more adjusted with her company and her life. I think it would better if she were in a stable relationship as well.

As for Lucas, he keeps saying how he loves Lindsey and he doesn't love Peyton anymore. But the more and more he says that, it sounds like he is talking himself out of loving Peyton. I just get him sometimes, he confuses me.

And then there's Owen, who wasn't in this episode, but since you ladies brought him up in the podcast, I shall mention him as well.

I like Owen. And I love him with Brooke. But I can't help but think that he is hiding something. I don't know what it is, but its bugging me. And then there's the Rachel drug storyline. I don't know if its just me, but Owen seemed like he knew Rachel. Because I swear I heard him say 'Baby' a couple times.

Overall, I'm just sick of the love triangles and psychos on OTH. No more crazy people kidnap four year olds and no more love triangles that end badly.

And one last thing, I was a bit sad that no one ran after Lindsey. I kinda wish Haley or Brooke would gone after her.

Okay since I'm completely spoiled I don't want to say too much about the baby storyline. I will say that at first, I completely hated it and felt like you guys. But after watching this season.. I do understand it. And I think that when you girls see what's going to happen, you may like it too.
I usually agree with almost everything you girls say and I want to thank you for seeing it the way you do. As for Owen, for me, a hardcore BLer, when I look for sparks between Brooke and someone else I always compare it to BL chemistry. And in doing that BO comes up short. I do however think that he could be a great friend to her and she could benefit from that right now, as Rachel is full of issues right now and so is Haley. And I believe that they were her only true friends.
Now onto Lucas letting things happen to him. I don't think the fact that he just watched Lindsay walk out the door means that he wasn't "in it totally." Otherwise- he was never "in it totally" with Brooke OR Peyton either. The truth is- since season 4 that's how Lucas has been. Never making things happen.. always just letting them happen to him. Ever since he watched Brooke walk out that same door.. he's been different. He just walked away from Peyton in 5.05. He didn't try to make things work. He walked away. And waited for her to come back. And when he did reach out and he thought she didn't come to the book signing- he didn't go to see her and ask why. He was in LA- he could have gone to see why. But he didn't. So I know I'm repeatnig myself.. but I don't think that just because he let her walk out- that he wasn't in it. He wouldn't have said "I do" to her if he wasn't in it. That's not who he is.
Okay I'm gonna go. Thanks again girls! :-)

shock ... you didn't mentioned the return of Karen, Andy and Lily ... *cry*

But then I have to say: I love you Sarah! What you said about Dan let me laugh over minutes. I think he is totally proud of the he is the ex-prisoner who killed his brother. I mean, did you hear what he said to Haley *ughh...*

And this new Brooke plot line ... I watch the show from the beginning and watch all 100 episodes more than once and I can say ... it's not the Brooke I know. Finding happiness ... okay ... but with a baby with her 22 years and on this point in her life??? No way!

But on something I have to disagree with you: Owen and Brooke ... no, no, no! He isn't the type to be in a relationship with Brooke and I also think that he isn't what she wants. And Brooke and Lucas ... I hope that's not coming back to us again. I love Brooke and I think Brucas was kind of hot, but the whole drama again ... NOOOOOO!!! Bring back Chase for her!!! He is sweet, Brooke and he has great chemistry AND we didn't know why the broke up anyway. So, Mark Schwahn should bring him back and hopefully the old Brooke too.

And in the end I have to say: I totally feel sorry for Peyton. Sitting there and watching Lucas when he said: "I do" ... it's just too sad.

Ok I REALLY think the people doing these podcasts should watch the show from the beginning. Why are we having people who havent' seen the entire thing sitting and picking at it. Havep eople who have been watching the show for 5 years, they actually GET why Naley scenes are the way they are, or why Brooke feels the need for love. Brooke's parents were never around and they treated her like dirt. Peyton was her ONLY source of love as a child and what did Peyton do? Peyton stole the only boy she ever loved. TWICE. Shes NEVER had unconditional love. Ever. Lucas' love was taken away by Peyton... twice. Peyton (her only source of love as a child) betrayed her.

during the brooke lucas baby scene the original storyline was brooke asking lucas to be the father of her baby but they cut this scene and just lefy brooke telling lucas she wants a baby but its not with lucas. There have been new spoilers released about brooke and her baby and she dosen't have one with lucas but lucas is probably their for her and the baby. As well as peyton.

First off I love your podcasts and most of the time I totally agree, but I really think the ones who haven't seen the whole series I recommend you watch it. I fully agree that you have a right to comment but I feel like sometimes you can't understand why something is SO good or SO important, or what it brings reference to. i think it would make the podcasts even better than they already are. On that note I felt like I should explain the whole Naley dream scene. It was reference to the first time they kissed. Nathan was being a jerk and trying to explain himself and Haley wasn't taking it. She was done until he kissed her. She said you shouldn't have done that Nathan, and he said but I wanted to(with his puppy dog face) and she say yeah and kisses him back. It was the beginning of Naley and it started raining because whenever it rains they have there most romantic moments together. Haley has said before (to Nathan when they were REALLY happy) if only it were raining. And they were going to go to London for their honeymoon because it always rains there.

I don't want you guys to take this comment the wrong way, because I love your podcasts, and just because you have not seen the whole series doesn't mean that you cannot comment on the show, I just think that you could enjoy the show even more AND your podcasts would be even better :)

I think this is the first time I disagree with you guys.

First, I was slightly upset that you pretty much just kept being downers about the whole episode pretty much. But I guess that's your opinion. It's a drama! Of course silly mistakes have to be made for drama to happen! It would have been over the top if Carrie barged into the church with a gun and kidnaped Jamie. The fact that Skillz let him go to the bathroom in a church (safe place usually) alone is nothing to make a big deal out of.

The only thing that I agreed with you about was that Skillz was behaving totally inappropriately.

I felt bad for Peyton, despite the fact that I didn't want her to do anything.

I though Lucas' quick I DO was indication that he wasn't having second thoughts. His collapse afterward further adds to it. He was hurt and thought there was nothing he could do. He needed a push to go and ask Lindsey, the girl that hurt him in front of everyone on their wedding, to stay. It doesn't show that he wasn't invested in it. It's just that there's nothing else to do after that...

The Naley rain in the apartment might have meant something to you if you saw seasona 1 and 3. It was a throwback to their first ever kiss (this dialogue was almost idential) and their multiple rain love and kissing scenes. Rain is an important symbol of Naley. And I loved their scenes together! "Look who it is" was hilarious... especially with Lucas' "no wonder you're fading" remark! When Nathan ran in front of the car, Haley looked like she was gonna have a heart attack! I loved him there though! His anger was needed for once... those cops were crap! I loved Nathan comforthing Haley! She was blaming him, and he was saying it wasn't her fault! She needs to get over herself and open her eyes to how amazing she has it with Nathan as a husband! But that scene was beautiful... minus the "he's all I have" remark about Jamie... what about Nathan, Haley? Ugh!

You never mentioned Lilly! How adorable is she? Especially in her scenes with Jamie!

I love the cartoon Jamie was watching "run for your life! she's a witch and wants to eat you!" he could totally tell carrie was psycho with her "HOME?!!!" shreik.

And Andy has to be the most noble guy ever!

Karen kind of was looking longingly at Dan in my opinoin...

As for Brooke and the baby... I was mad about the story at first. Then, I thought about it. I am 22. A few of my friends got married and are having (or had) babies recently. I sometimes look at them so in love with their child like they will never let them go, and I think about how I would love to feel that way. Thankfully, I have unconditional love from my family. Brooke doesn't have that. She wants it. I also think she still loves Lucas, but she feels (due to Lucas' word in his book) that she doesn't stand a chance. She still knows that he is the one boy she will always love and can depend on. She wants him to be the father so she can have unconditional love (in her child) and can also have a connection to / part of Lucas since she can't be romatically linked to him anymore in her eyes powered by his words. She doesn't want to rely on guys for unconditional love... and she knows she's not going to get it from her family.

Jackie - I totally thought that Brooke wanted to have Lucas's baby, which would be a million shades of wrong. You're not alone.

Overall, I think the Brooke baby storyline was there for shock value more than anything else. They needed their cliffhanger to carry them through until the next set of episodes. I just think Brooke is really lonely. Even though she has Owen, she feels empty inside still, obviously if she wants a kid and to be in a wedding dress. Weddings can be a depressing thing for some people.

My favorite part was the Naley dream-thing. Back to the first kiss and then bam, Nathan in the shower. So sad and perfect!

First bad thing Skills has done throughout the duration of the show, don't jump on his back!